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中国还是日本，哪个军力更强？
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原文地址：http://news.yahoo.com/china-japa ... lout-141543841.html
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原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com 翻译：cola2000 转载请注明出处
论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-255214-1-1.htmlTerritorial disputes and China's air defense identification zone have focused new attention on the question.
There is a widespread assumption that China is Asia’s leading military power.
Not so fast. In fact, that spot belongs to Japan. Yes, Japan.
The Japanese postwar Constitution may “forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation” and its military forces may carry the benign-sounding title of “Self Defense Forces.” But “you don’t want to mess with them,” as Larry Wortzel, a leading analyst of Asian military affairs, put it recently.
中国新设立的防空识别区将舆论的目光重新拉回到中日的领土争议中
现在人们普遍认为中国拥有领导亚洲的军事力量。可没那么快呢。事实上，那个位置属于日本。是的，就是日本。
近日，亚洲军事权威分析师沃策尔表示，虽然战后的日本宪法中写明了：日本作为一个主权国家将永远放弃发动战争的权利，而且日本的军事力量还有着一个温和的名字“自卫队”，但是你绝对不会想去惹它的。
In terms of simple numbers, Japan lags far behind. It has just one-tenth the number of men in uniform that China does, four times fewer combat aircraft, and its fleet is about half the size of China’s in terms of tonnage.
But when it comes to training and technology, the key elements in modern warfare, the Japanese easily outclass the Chinese. If the territorial dispute over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands ever sparked “kinetic action” as the military strategists put it, Japan would come out on top.
Another consideration that would give Chinese generals pause for thought: the United States would almost certainly step into any armed conflict on Japan’s side. And though China has been building up its armed forces as fast as it can recently, it is “at least two decades behind the United States in terms of military technology and capability,” a recent report by the Council on Foreign Relations concluded
只看数字方面的话，日本远远落后于中国。日本在役的军人只有中国的十分之一，战斗机只有中国的四分之一，军舰的吨位也只有中国的一半。
但是现代战争的关键因素是训练和科技，就这些方面来说的话，日本的水平轻松的抛开了中国。如果两国出于军事策略，而在钓鱼岛争议上不断引发“动态行动”的话，日本将处于优势。
还有另一个因素需要中国将军们好好的考量一下：美国几乎肯定的会介入任何与日本的武装冲突，而且会站在日本一边。最近外交关系委员会的一份报告得出这样一个结论：即使中国最近几年竭尽所能的建设自己的武装力量，但是中国的军事能力和国防科技仍然落后美国至少20年。
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原创翻译：龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com 翻译：cola2000 转载请注明出处
论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-255214-1-1.htmlCdh 1 day ago 16 14
Chuckle Chuckle, a nuclear emped attack over the USA will send it back to the dark ages. In any case, this article attempts to explain Japans military superiority through explaining nothing, and as for more specially train, Japan will put up what? Their self defense forces is a joke, and the Chinese armed forces is easily a match or better then the American ones, as proven in yearly military competitions held where the Chinese military comes up tops again and again, that's specially trained and hardened for you, and don't give me the BS that China haven't fought a real war, abilities are what matter in a real war, the Americans have fought a real war and lost about every one of them, the worst being in Korea and Vietnam despite having overwhelming technological advantage. I love how Peter Ford is like a little sissy hiding behind the Japanese skirt now, just be upfront and put the USA up there, Japan will be a wreckage at the end of any conventional war, and the American and Chinese economy will be turn back to the 50s, at the end of the day, it's about who will outlast the other, and you can bet with near certainty that China having gone through 120 years of revolutions and two major wars, upheavals, that resulted in over 40 million deaths will outlast anyone, which is why they have nearly 5000 years of recorded history. When asked about the dinosaurs today, the cockroaches laugh in their face :)
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呵呵，一次嵌入式核打击将让美国回到中世纪黑暗年代。总之这篇文章试图阐明日本军队拥有的优势，但是文章满篇都是废话，而且日本除了加强特殊训练，还有什么本事？他们自身的自卫能力就是个笑话，还有，中国的武装力量可以轻松和美军媲美，或者是优于美军。比如每年都会举办的军事竞赛，中国军队每次都会夺冠而且不断刷新纪录，这对你来说就是特别训练和久经沙场，别和我说什么中国没有经历过战争的屁话，在真正的战争中个人能力才是最重要的。在糟糕的越南战争和朝鲜战争时，尽管美国有着逆天的技术优势，美国人在这几场战争中几乎全部死光。我乐于见到这篇文章的作者像个娘们一样躲在日本的短裙下面，他只是为了证明美国还在那里而已。任何一场常规战争的结果都会是日本变成废墟，而中国和美国的经济也会倒退到五十年代。这将是谁比谁活的更久的问题，而中国在经历了120年的革命，两次世界大战和诸多动乱后死亡了超过4000万人，他们依然不倒。显然中国人比任何人都会存活的更久。这就是为什么他们有将近五千年的历史记载。当你在今天问起恐龙的历史时，蟑螂们笑了。
CJ 1 day ago 8 40
If it is a short military conflict over the islands, China does not have advantages; however, if it escalates into a broader and longer war, China does. Military strength is always commensurable to economic power. China fought the US to a tie in Korean war in early 1950s when its economic output was 3% that of US and steel production 1% that of US and food production 20% that of US. Today its GDP is 70%, steel production 8 times that of US, food production equals US and India combined. If it has taken more than a decade without being able to achieve military objective in Iraq and Afghan war for the US, one should pause and think...what would be the outcome of a war with a nuclear powered country like China.
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如果只是一次短暂的岛屿周边冲突，中国不占有优势，总之，如果冲突升级为更广泛和更持久的战争的话，中国将占有优势。军事力量也是本国经济的延伸。中国和美国在50年代的朝鲜战争中打成平手，当时中国的贸易出口额只有美国的3%，钢产量只有美国的1%，粮食产量只有美国的20%。而现在中国的gdp达到了美国的70%，钢产量是美国的8倍，粮食产量等于美国和印度的总和。再过十年，如果中国不像美国那样去伊拉克和阿富汗开战的话，有人该停下好好考虑了。。。和中国这样一个有核国家开战的结果会是什么？
S 1 day ago 6 5
This article is clueless.
Japan in its current state is no match for China in an all out war without US help. Not even close. Japan has no significant weapons system on a scale to deal with China's size and all of its systems are of limited range. It has no missiles that can reach China while China has enough to wipe Japan off the map.
By many accounts China is just 20 years behind US but catching up fast. Japan's best weapons are all old systems from US. But very little is newer than 20 years. US has yet to sell them any new weapons such as F22, F35, new warships etc.
In addition, Japan as an island with little resources is very difficult to defend, as evident in WW2.
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这是一篇无知的文章。
在没有美国帮助的情况下，日本根本不能在全面战争中和中国对抗，甚至不能拿两国来相比较。日本根本没有有效的武器系统来打击庞大的中国，日本的武力覆盖范围是有限的。日本没有能打到中国的导弹，而中国却有足够的导弹把日本从地图上抹去。
很多数据显示中国只落后美国20年，但是中国追赶的很快。日本最好的武器都是美国的老旧装备，但也有极少部分是近20年的新式武器。美国还没向日本出售任何最新式武器，例如f22，f35和新式军舰等等。
再说一句，日本是个资源贫乏的岛屿，非常难于防守，二战时已经证明了这点。
terry Simms 20 hours ago 9 10
Underestimate China and you will find yourself serverly in the #$%$, China has made a lot of allies, and a lot have not forgiven Japan for WW2. China keeps its military progress a well guarded secret whereas I feel Japan is a more known quantity. China would not start a war over this issue anyway, china are more peace loving people who are more interested in conquereing with financial prowess and in this method they are winning far more quickly.
A good example of this is that the Taiwan business people are keen to pressure their government to make amends and jion with China and China will encourage any advantage in this they can, This is how they win not through force like western nations,
China will subtely buy its neighbours as friends, when this happens it will not need to worry about military strength so much. As mentioned here by others North Korea and Russia are both keen to assist China and you can bet that any technical advantage Russia has will be shared with China in the event of conflict,.
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低估中国会把你自己置身在砧板上，中国有不少盟友，其中很多都没有原谅日本在二战中的暴行。中国在军事发展的过程中，保密工作做的相当不错，而日本的军力却已经被人摸透了。中国无论如何也不会为了钓鱼岛争议开战，中国热爱和平，他们更喜欢在经济上征服敌人，而且这种手段也会让他们更迅速的获得胜利。
这有一个很好的例子，台湾商人正在向他们的政府施压，要政府修订政策和加入中国，而中国也尽力的鼓励这种进步。不同于西方国家用武力取得胜利，中国有他的方法。
中国将巧妙的收买自己的邻国，成为他们的朋友。当中国这么做以后，就再也不用担心军事威胁了。就如另外的评论里有提到，北朝鲜和俄罗斯都热衷于辅助中国。我敢打赌，如果真起了军事冲突，俄罗斯一定会把最先进的技术拿出来和中国分享。
Jack 1 day ago 13 14
I think China will be very pleased that the West think about China this way. Those of us that actually follows military hardware from US, China and Japan for the past 20 years knows the real military balance.
But yes, guys please think China is very very weak, so why don't you go try to invade it, I'm sure you will win, I"m sure China will be a push over like they were in the 1880s when the 8 nation alliance burned down the Chinese imperial palace.
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我认为西方这么看中国，中国会非常高兴的。我们日本人确实买了美国的军备，中日两国在过去的20年认识到了真正的军事平衡。
但是，请你们把中国想的非常非常弱小，那为什么你们不去试试侵略中国呢？我很肯定你们会获得胜利。我也很肯定中国会像1880年代那样，被八国联军狠揍一顿再烧掉皇宫的。。（译注：看此人的英语水平应该是日本人。另圆明园是在1860年被英法联军烧毁。八国联军入侵北京是在1900年）
Sam-Os 1 day ago 4 15
Anyone that knows history knows that Japan is historically the belligerent nation. Way before WW2 all the way back to the 1500's they were trying to invade Korea and China. Only with their utter defeat by the US they have bowed and if you allow the Japanese to become fully nuclear and militarized they'll stop taking US orders. China on the other hand in their 2,000+ years of history mainly fought themselves certain kingdoms invaded other nations but China for a long time was not 1 nation. In modern times they've had short term invasions into Vietnam and in Korea to fight the US..even against the Soviets. Most of their conflicts have been over territorial disputes.
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任何读过历史的人都知道日本在历史上是一个好战的国家。在二战之前的1500年代，日本试图入侵朝鲜和中国。只有被美国彻底打败后他们才屈服，而如果允许日本拥有核武器和军事正常化，日本就不会再听美国的话了。中国又不一样了，在中国2000多年的历史里主要是为统一而内战或者是入侵别国，但是中国在很长的一段时间里都不是一个统一国家。在近代，中国为了对抗美国，短期入侵了越南和朝鲜。中国甚至抗击苏联。中苏的大部分冲突都是领土争议导致的。
Mt Hikes 1 day ago 12 17
China, in over 4000 years, have the unique distinction among the great civilizations of the world of having lost every war they ever participated in (it got so big by demographically swallowing every annexing conqueror and warlord).
(Technically, they were on the winning side of WWII, but even on the day Japan surrendered, more of China was under Japanese occupation than all of Japan.)
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在中国4000多年的历史里，有着自己独特的伟大文明，他们输掉了所有参与过的战争。中国之所以这么大，是因为他们用人口反噬了每一个征服者和军阀们。技术上，他们是二战的战胜国，但是即使在日本投降的那天，中国的大部分依然在日本的占领下，这些占领区比日本本土还大。
new yorker 1 day ago 8 14
cant believe the chinese are 20 years behind the U.S. .the chinese are making parts for our military aircraft,,and missile componets ,,no telling what else they manufacture
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不能相信中国落后美国20年，中国人正在制造我们战斗机的零件，还有导弹的元器件，请别告诉我他们还在生产什么了。
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