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    发表于 2012-12-20 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
    如果管制火狗和刀的话 那么也应该把所有男人都阉割了 因为他们有能用于强奸的工具 从逻辑上讲 这完全是一样的 女人也不能放过 她们有能卖淫的工具
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    http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6805.html
    原创翻译:龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.com 翻译:Constantine 转载请注明出处
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    China School Attack: Knife-Wielding Man Injures 22 Kids, 1 AdultOutside Primary School

    中国学校袭击案:持刀男子伤害22名孩子,1名校外成人

    BEIJING -- A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and oneadult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving forclasses Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacksat Chinese schools and kindergartens.

    北京——在中国中部的学生星期五上课的时候一名持刀男子伤害22名儿童和一名校外成人,警方说,最近不时发生一系列暴徒袭击中国学校和幼儿园的事件。

    The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happenedshortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where thevillage is located.

    这次袭击发生在在河南省陈棚村早晨8点前不久,一名来自光山县的警官说,那村位于这里。

    The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in policecustody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary amongChinese civil servants.

    攻击者是36岁的村民闵应军,现在被警察拘留,一位拒绝透露她的名字警官说,这是中国公务员的习惯。

    A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man firstattacked an elderly woman, then students, before being subdued by securityguards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks inrecent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted,although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equippedhospitals outside the county.

    光山县医院的管理人员说,暴徒在被近几年中国学校发生大量袭击事件以后设立的警卫给制服之前,首先袭击了一个老年妇女,然后是学生。他说目前确认的九个学生没有死亡,虽然两个严重受伤的孩子都被转移到条件更好的外县市医院。

    A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicinesaid that seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriouslyinjured.

    在光山中医医院的医生说,七名学生被接纳治疗,但没有严重受伤。

    Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give hisname.

    提供他名字的既不是医院管理者也不是医生。

    It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chineseprimary school pupils are generally 6-11 years old.

    目前还不清楚受伤儿童的年龄,但中国小学生一般6 - 11岁。

    A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's websiteconfirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had beenset up to investigate the attacks.

    贴在光山县政府网站的通知证实受伤人数,已经成立应急反应小组调查这次袭击。

    No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string ofsimilar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 andwounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when aknife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchangand stabbed two students before fleeing.

    没有动机进行刺杀,类似一连串2010年造成近20人死亡和50多人受伤的袭击学童的事件。最新的袭击发生在八月,在南部城市南昌一名持刀男子闯入一个中学,逃离之前刺伤两名学生。

    Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involvedin personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change inChina, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system'sability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

    大多数袭击者有精神病、陷入个人纠纷或无法适应快速增长的中国社会变革,在古老的中国医疗系统的能力,诊断和治疗精神疾病是被强调的严重弱点。

    In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed,middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent hisanger over a thwarted romantic relationship.

    最严重的事件,一个失业的中年医生杀了八个孩子,在2010年三月幻想破灭之后用刀发泄自己的愤怒。龙腾网版权所有 http://www.ltaaa.com


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    I'm an American living in Beijing for 3 years... wheneverthere is a story like this it is often tied to the Chinese gov't taking landfrom villagers to build things such as golf courses. This is they way theyretaliate. Not that it redeems it in any way... but it is an explanation. On another note,China is the safest place I have ever been in my life. I'm from a small seasidetown in south Florida... I feel much safer walking around the "hoods"in China in the middle of the night as opposed to walking through a safeneighborhoods in FL in the middle of the night. I contribute this to the factthat guns are not allowed and because of extremely harsh penalties for violentcrimes.

    我是一名美国人,在北京生活了三年。每次都类似新闻时,通常都会被联系到农民被征地拿去修高尔夫球场什么的,然后说他们因此在做出这种事。虽然不可原谅…至少是这种解释。但是中国是我这辈子见到过的最安全的地方。我在佛罗里达州南部一个靠海的小镇长大…在中国治安差的地方深夜步行,比在佛罗里达治安好的地方还有安全感的多。我认为这要归功于这里的禁枪和对暴力犯罪的严惩。

    Agreed. From Memphis, living in Shanghai (as akindergarten teacher no less). Place has some rough looking neighbourhoods, butthe police here are pretty effective and the people just don't seem to have thesame kind of bitter desperation the thugs in Memphis did, so they go for scamsmore than violent crime.

    同意,我是孟菲斯人,现在在上海(是幼儿园教师)。虽然这里有些比较脏乱的街区,但是警察办事有效率,而且总体来说没有人会像孟菲斯的流氓们那么铤而走险,所以坑人的骗子多,暴力犯罪少。

    Ha ha, the policeeffective in Memphis?? Have you looked at your crime stats, dude?

    呵呵,警察在孟菲斯有效果吗?你看看犯罪统计表,伙计?

    If he had a gun,the headline would have read "China school attack: man kills 22" .Something these right wingers will never truly get.

    假如他有枪,新闻的标题将会是“中国校园袭击案:男子杀死22人”,右翼们永远无法明白这点。

    I was about topost pretty much the same thing.

    我正打算说同样的事。

    They don't care.Human lives are nothing to them.
    The only thing that matters is their guns.

    他们才不会关心。人命对他们来说一文不值。他们只在乎他们的枪。

    Thirty childrendied in the Bath school bombings... no guns *or* knives. Anyone with a can ofgas and a rag can make a bomb. Which doesn't negate the danger of guns in thehands of lunatics, but it *does* indicate that getting the lunatics undercontrol might be a more effective way of dealing.

    巴斯校园爆炸案死了30个孩子……没刀也没枪,只要有汽油和碎布谁都可以做出炸弹来。当然不是说让疯子们拉纤就没问题,但是管好那些疯子才是更好的办法。

    Maybe we can doboth?

    也许我们应该双管齐下?

    well said

    说得好
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    2013-6-26 10:58
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    发表于 2012-12-21 10:28 | 显示全部楼层
    China SchoolAttack: Knife-Wielding Man Injures 22 Kids, 1 Adult Outside Primary School The Chinese needto think this through; 22 injured people that now need healthcare. In United States,thanks to the NRA and the perverse application of the second amendment ourcrazies have access to large caliber semi automatic weapons, that way themajority of crime victims go straight to the morgue....saving millions ofhealthcare dollars.

    中国学校袭击案:持刀男子伤害22名孩子,1名校外成人。中国人真应该反思了,22人受伤,那可是要治疗的啊。在美国,感谢步枪协会和第二修正案的滥用,我们这的疯子可以轻松得到大口径半自动武器,这样一来大多数受害者可以直接去太平间了…省下几百万医疗费。

    Of the 500 guncrimes only 77 resulted in a homicide in China last year. In America, approximately 8800 died as aresult of a gun homicide. When we take population differential of 4 to1, you stand a 457 times greater chance of dying as a result of a gun homicidein the US than in China

    去年中国发生500起持枪犯罪,只有77人死亡。在美国去年有约8800人死于枪杀。如果我们按照4:1的人口算的话,得出的结论是你在美国被枪杀的几率比中国大457倍。

    Do you think if weinvaded China, and all moved over there, we would have a lower gun homiciderate?

    你认为如果我们入侵中国,所有人搬到那边,我们将有一个较低的火狗杀人率?

    Much lower if youleft the guns behind.

    你离开枪后低得多。

    OK, let's keep onething clear. 21 children "injured" by knife, 20 children"killed" today with gun.Yes, you can killwith many things but guns make is so much easier.

    好吧,让我们分清一件事:21名孩子被刀砍伤,20名孩子被枪杀死。没错,你能用很多东西杀人,但是用枪杀人要容易的多。

    Lots of ignorantfools in America think these kinds of things only happen because of guns.Well...... here is a dose of reality for you. People kill People. Stop blaminginanimate objects for peoples actions. Stop ignoring human nature. Stopignoring human history. Welcome to reality.

    美国有许多无知的蠢货以为这种事是因为枪的缘故才发生。好……这是现实:杀人的是人,不要把人的行为怪罪到无生命的物品上。不要无视人类的天性,不要无视人类的历史,欢迎回归现实。

    What are guns for?Why do so many people own them? What are we all so afraid of. We are afraid ofthe people who have guns. Thats what.

    枪是为了什么?为什么那么多人拥有它?我们是如此害怕。我们害怕的是有枪的人。那是什么。

    That's true. Butjust think ot the death toll if had used a couple of 9mm Glocks with severalback up magazines.

    那没错,但是思考下如果此人有把九毫米的格洛克和几个备用弹夹,那会死多少人吧。

    Some guy on MSNBCbrought this up regarding the CT shooting, saying with or without guns,violence will happen. Big difference - those Chinese parents still have theirprecious children. Guns kill.

    MSNBC上有人在康涅狄格州枪击案里面提到这事,他说不管有没有枪,暴力犯罪依然会发生。但是有一个很大不同——那些中国父母们仍然拥有他们的宝贝孩子。枪是要死人的。

    We have people whoprofessninals KNOW are deranged, but no one will do anything about it. We havehad several killings in our town by those with known mental problems - but ourlaws restrict what can be done - so we just let them wander around till theyflip out.

    我们很多专家了解精神有问题的人,但是没有任何人肯对此做些什么。我们镇因为明显的精神问题而发生的杀人案件已经有好几起了——但是我们的法律限制我们能做些什么——结果我们只能任由他们在外,直到某天他们发疯。

    Poor Min didn'tscore a single kill!
    If he only had apair of handguns and a couple assault rifles, his score would have been MUCHhigher.
    This is clearly ahuman rights violation.

    可怜的闵,一个人都没杀成。他要是有几把手枪和突击步枪的话,得分会高很多的。这绝对是侵犯人权。

    a while back someguy in china killed 7 cops (google it!) with a knife all at once. where thereis a will, there is a way.

    之前有个中国人持刀杀了七个警察,有志者事竟成。

    Chinese cops don'tcarry guns.

    中国警察不配枪。

    If he had a gun,all twenty-two would probably be dead.

    如果他有枪,估计22个全死了。

    Same could be saidif he had of used a chainsaw, but he didn't.

    他要是拿电锯也一样,但是他没有。

    No. If you haveever used a chainsaw, you know there is a reason they are not often used toattack people with.

    不,你要是真用过电锯就知道为什么很少有人用电锯去攻击别人。

    I bet this guywished he lived in the US and had access to semi-automatic weapons.

    我打赌此人一定希望自己活在美国能获得半自动武器。

    We should bansemi-automatic knives.

    我们应该禁止半自动刀。
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    人人带枪就是阻止犯罪?啊,数量占绝大多数的激情犯罪者们没有这个顾虑。而预谋犯罪者们倒是肯定会考虑到这个问题,所以想想那个带着百发弹鼓AK和全身重型防弹衣去抢银行,然后把警察打的落花流水的牛人吧。
    而且有个很大的矛盾,要阻止犯罪,就要在罪犯犯罪之前制止他。也就是说,要在罪犯掏出枪之前就首先把枪瞄准他,那么首先你要确认那些脑门上没刻字的人是罪犯,然后你要有透视眼知道他带枪了,其次你要有心灵感应知道他准备开枪杀人了,再次你要确认警察或者其他带枪的人也有心灵感应知道这一切而不会把首先拔枪的你打成马蜂窝。
    人类没有以上功能,所以全面持枪的唯一后果就是大多数人在“感觉”自己受到威胁时,在“认为”对方在掏枪时,首先拔枪射击,但问题是没有人是傻瓜,那么血流成河简直就是必然的。因为人人有枪,人人的脑门上都没有刻字,在衣服上绣大卫星表明身份已经被普世价值否决了。那么接下来的就是比谁的拔枪速度快了。我不知道他是不是好人,对于我来说我的生命是最重要的,人人都有枪,我不知道他是不是打算用枪解决这个问题顺便解决我;我更不知道他是不是也这样想我的,哦,天哪!他把手往屁股那里伸了!快!呯!呯!呯!呯!呯!呯!呯!呯
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    呼!兄弟,对不起了,你不应该在这么紧张的时候找纸巾擦汗的,感谢第二修正案,你身上肯定也带着枪,太好了。来,握住你自己的枪....刚刚我站在哪?好,来一枪!呯!.........
    911吗?对不起,我刚刚受到枪击.......哦,不需要救护车,我没事,我干掉了那个想抢我钱的杂种!
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    慵懒
    2013-8-20 11:39
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

    发表于 2012-12-21 11:28 | 显示全部楼层
    吼吼吼······真D想干坏事D话···你禁啥米都木有用······
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2012-12-21 13:22 | 显示全部楼层
    槍支減少了人的體能的先天不平等
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    发表于 2012-12-21 13:59 | 显示全部楼层
    2,先不說第二修正案,或者持槍捍衛自由人權,事實上,槍支的普及是減少了人的體能先天不平等,一個經過射擊訓練的弱女子,可以擊斃試圖侵犯她的“泰森”這從根本上遏制了欺淩弱小的犯罪

    这一点我特别赞同。

    试问,170cm,65kg,近视500度的您,开着您的小polo在上班的路上,突然与一辆金色的BMW相撞,下来一个大光头,金链子,180cm,100kg的“社会哥”,不管是不是您的责任,试问,您敢理论吗?

    我想这种情况下,“社会哥”恐怕不会是一个彬彬有礼的绅士。那么只有两个结果:

    1、您有道理,您被揍;
    2、您没道理,您被揍。

    为什么?

    因为身体上的差异让您变得成为弱势群体,但是如果大家都有某种可以取代身体力量的力量,您说会出现上面的情况吗?
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    发表于 2012-12-21 19:27 | 显示全部楼层
    就美国国内的国情民情而言,真要杀人有很多种工具,只是火狗的效率高,操作简便而已,视觉冲击力强,造成的效果较为震撼。真要大规模高效低成本的杀人除了火狗以外有很多种方法。比如,开着大卡车在嘉年华游行中冲撞……那个效果更震撼,还有电视直播。所以不要说美国小学里发生的枪击案了。试问911事件,喷气客机都成为了恐怖袭击的工具,那是不是应该立法禁止喷气客机?美国每年死于车祸的又有多少人?难道禁车?关键不在枪本身,而在持枪的人本身。持枪在美国属于天赋人权(不是政府赋予,哦,亲)的一部分,也正是如此才能从根本上保障美国人民的普世权利。所以,禁枪在美国并不现实也不可行。
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