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发表于 2011-12-23 23:16 | 显示全部楼层
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    谢chungming版主,给介绍一下那个刃才呗?
    hht1977 发表于 2011-12-23 17:11


    我就是做來擺這好看,還沒實際用過。COWRY-X硬度是比較高,防鏽能力沒有不鏽鋼來的佳,感覺跟ZDP-189差不多。
    momo村也做過幾把,他應該比我清楚。
    其實台灣有很多COWRY-X做的刀子,士林名刀是台灣的老刀店,他們出的士林刀就是用COWRY-X鋼材,我的COWRY-X鋼板也是他們送我的。
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     楼主| 发表于 2011-12-24 10:32 | 显示全部楼层
    哦,那看来这种的钢材的热处理并不像ZDP189那样难。可是它那么高的含碳量真让人费解。

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    What is INFI?

    INFI is a proprietary steel and heat-treat protocol developed by Busse Combat Knife Co. It is ONLY available through Busse Combat.

    Hardness

    Although hardened INFI knives are 58-60 Rc we have yet been able to chip an edge. The edge can be dented or misaligned but its high level of malleability at such high hardness has never been duplicated by any other steel that we are aware of or have tested.

    Flexibility

    In one of our performance tests, we bend a Battle Mistress 35 degrees in a vise and it springs back to true. Why would we do this? What does it prove? What is the benefit to the customer? Not only does this test demonstrate the enormous toughness and lateral strength of an INFI blade but, because our hardness is homogenous and not differential, it demonstrates the amount of lateral strength and "spring" of INFI all the way to the edge. That means that edge of the blade will possess this same toughness. INFI is the only knife steel ever tested that has achieved such high levels of lateral strength with a homogenous hardness of 58 - 60 Rc. No other steel has even neared this performance level.

    Edge Retention

    Many so-called knife experts have heralded the "wear resistance" of a steel as the key to edge retention. This may very well be true if a knife is designed and intended for the cutting of soft materials ONLY. However, we have never inspected a dull knife and found the edge to be perfectly smoothed away, like a ball bearing. Instead what we find are microscopic chips where the edge has broken or chipped away like glass after having impacted against bone, gravel, or other hard su**ces. This micro chipping dictates that the edge be reground during the resharpening process, which will ultimately lead to a thicker edge and a radical change in overall blade shape. Steels with high wear resistance normally score fairly low in shock resistance, lateral strength, and overall toughness. INFI scores very high in ALL of these categories.

    Sharpening

    INFI's high level of chip resistance also makes it the easiest steel to resharpen by hand that we have ever encountered. I personally fall into the category of "hand sharpening challenged". I've heard tales of those who can sharpen ball peen hammers to a razor's edge on an Arkansas stone in less than 5 seconds flat. My experiences have always been to the contrary. The spine of the knife is usually sharper than the edge when I'm finished applying my magic stone sharpening technique. One of the great features of INFI is that simply stropping away from the edge (the way a barber strops a straight edged razor) on a ceramic stick is basically all that is required to resharpen INFI. Since you're not chipping steel off the edge there is no need to grind any steel away. This feature of INFI will, likewise, allow you to keep the same overall profile of the knife for a much greater period of time.

    How does INFI compare to other steels?

    ** question, complex answer. INFI represents what I have always dreamed of in a knife steel. Tougher, by an enormous margin, than any other steel I've ever tested. Unparalleled edge holding under high impact and in cutting tests. Shock resistance that begs you to "bring it on". An ease of re-sharpening that you have to see to believe and higher levels of lateral strength at high hardness than have ever been achieved by any other steel. We have published our test results and our testing methodology. We have video taped all of these tests and play the video at the knife shows we attend. More importantly, we have duplicated these performance tests in "LIVE" demonstrations at many trade shows throughout the United States. We encourage all manufacturers to put their products through our tests and to publish their results. If you want to know how another maker's knife will compare to a Busse Combat knife, ask the other maker to duplicate our tests in a "live" demo.

    Is INFI stainless?

    Not supposed to be. However, INFI has demonstrated very high levels of stain resistance in many different climates. Uncoated blades have been tested for years in Alaska and have made their way into the wilds of British Columbia, the High Sierras and tropical rain forests. No rust in Alaska or British Columbia! No rust in the High Sierras, even when exposed to great quantities of blood and left in the wet grass overnight. The tropical rain forest, which has been known to rust plastic (just kidding), did offer the toughest of the environmental exposures and a light speckling of su**ce oxidation did occur but was easily removed in the field with a hand rubbing of sand and water. No deep pitting was reported. When compared to other cutlery steels in salt spray tests, INFI faired better than ATS-34 and D-2. Although all three grades exhibited su**ce oxidation, the INFI was not deeply pitted as was common in these other two grades. So, although INFI is not technically a stainless steel, it is certainly not a rust aggressive steel. Couple this with a minimal amount of care and you've got a fairly maintenance free knife.

    With a steel like INFI it's easy to understand why we offer the toughest guarantee in the business. We guarantee against any and all unintentional MAJOR damage forever.

    Jerry Busse
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    本帖最后由 hht1977 于 2011-12-24 15:17 编辑

    http://www.knifriend.com/viewthread.php?tid=209189&highlight=INFI


    INFI是一种叫人既爱又恨的钢材,既神秘又保守,引发争议也很多,有人说不过是个噱头,有人说是神秘的热处理方法,有人说性能其实也很一般。
    INFI通常能查到的资料这样描述-------BUSSE的专用钢,韧性、强度相当好。顺便说一下Busse Combat Knife CompanyJerry Busse创建于1992年,Jerry Busse最早于20世纪70年代末期开始製做刀具,其在1982开始成为全职刀匠。有消息显示,busse最早使用A2钢制造刀具,1998年前后换用infi钢,也就是做刀许多年后换了钢然后就一直到今天。从A2的性能角度来看,busse很关注刀具强度,因为A2是一种韧性很好的钢材,虽然硬度超过57以上会脆一些。大约在1998年(如果数据不准请提示我更正),busse开始使用一种新钢材,命名为INFI,并对此报以巨大的期望,以至于在其后的十多年时间内,都稳定的使用这种钢材-------除了为低端市场而推出的basic系列上使用了M-INFIINFI的简化版钢材)
        第一部分、从钢材成分看INFI
    INFI的成分似乎并不是十分保密的,至少我们得到了它的一些主要成分,同时也有人认为由于INFI是刀具商自己研发,因此披露的成分表有所保留。
    C=0.5  
    Va=0.36  
    Cr=8.25  
    Co=0.95  
    Ni=0.74  
    Mo=1.3  
    N=0.11

    从成分表中比较令人疑惑的地方,是氮的含量,居然有0.11%,镍的含量达到了0.74%
    对于INFI钢材,有以下几种观点:

           1.infi应该是一种以6L或者A2为基础经过busse独特的热处理后形成的刀具钢材。他与普通的6L或者A2的区别是热处理的方式独特。这种猜测可能建立busse早期使用A2的基础上,但是A2C <0.35,和INFI区别较大,虽然INFI也被认为韧性强度高和A2具有一些共性。但是A2通常被认为处理到57硬度以上就会韧性大幅下降,和infi60度以上有高强度不太像,

          2.对于氮含量的猜测,认为对于氮和镍对于制刀钢材而言,是有害杂质。因此INFI表现好,但是也肯定不稳定。或者猜测INFi使用了渗氮工艺。渗氮,是在一定温度下一定介质中使氮原子渗入工件表层的化学热处理工艺。常见有液体渗氮、气体渗氮、离子渗氮。传统的气体渗氮是把工件放入密封容器中,通以流动的氨气并加热,保温较长时间后,氨气热分解产生活性氮原子,不断吸附到工件表面,并扩散渗入工件表层内,从而改变表层的化学成分和组织,获得优良的表面性能。如果在渗氮過程中同时渗入碳以促进氮的扩散,则称为氮碳共渗。常用的是气体渗氮和离子渗氮。常规渗氮层厚度一般在0.6mm以下,深层渗氮可达0.81.2mm。从那谁把busse磨成一根牙签,然后找busse免费换了个新的事情看,如果渗氮只有1.2mm,仍然不够磨。

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