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    自从迷上bushcraft之后,对求生刀来了兴趣。
    网上搜到的文章,写得虽然不是非常细致但是要点都有。越往最后越觉得似乎见过,既然翻了就贴了大家共同学习。文章来自:
    http://www.survivaltopics.com/su ... e-a-survival-knife/

    How to Choose a Survival Knife More Articles Related to Blades And Knives A Survival Knife is the most important single item of your survival gear Survival Note: Survival Topics sells a line of Survival Knives specially chosen to help you survive. For more information visit the Knives and Blades section. You need the best survival knife. Choosing the right survival knife is more than an exercise in individuality – your very life may hinge upon its proper selection. Anyone who has ever spent quality time in the outdoors will vouch for the usefulness of a good knife but to the survival expert his knife is one of his best friends and the most closely guarded of his survival gear. Like a good friend, his survival knife should never let him down.

    求生刀是你求生装备中最重要的一项。你需要一把最好的求生刀:如何正确的选择一把求生刀远比你的个人求生训练重要,你的生命往往就维系在选择的正确性上。喜欢经常在户外玩的人都知道一把好刀的用处,但是作为一个生存专家,一把刀就是他最好的朋友之一,是最需要贴身保护的生存装备。就想一个好朋友一样,他的生存刀永远不会让他倒下。

    Every Man Had a Knife Time was when nearly all men carried knives, if only a small pocket knife while in town. Whenever one went into the wilds his hunting knife, as they were then called, was always close at hand.

    每个男人都有一把刀。无论何时,所有的男人都带刀,在城里会是一把小小的口袋刀,但是当你进入荒野,一把猎刀就永远会在手边。求生刀是最重要的求生装备:

    The survival knife is the most important item of your survival gear Full Tang Knife Today many people have forgotten the necessity of always carrying a knife. Indeed it has become commonplace to meet people who are afraid of knives and question those who carry them. It is a sad fact that the majority of modern day people have no idea about the many uses of a good knife.

    现在人往往忽悠随身带刀的必要性,实际上很多人害怕刀,这是一个现在社会中非常让人沮丧的事情,这些人根本不知道一把好刀有什么用。经常在野外有很多人问我:你背包肩带上的刀带着干啥用?“你根本就不知道刀是干啥的”我一般这么回答。他们总认为自己知道,可我明白,他如果知道就不会问这么愚蠢问题。

    Often while out on the trail I will meet people who ask me what the knife hanging from the shoulder strap of my pack is for. “You don’t know what a knife is for?”, is my usual reply. And they think they do. But I know better, for else they would not have asked such a clueless question. Survival Knives are Required Gear

    求生刀是必须的装备一把好的求生刀是最重要的求生装备,是15项必需品之一,每个求生者都必修随身携带。拥有一直好的求生刀你可以在野外获得需要的东西并成功活下来。为此你选择的求生刀结构必须坚固,材料正确,制作精良和正确的功能设计。

    A good survival knife is the most important item of your survival gear and is one of the 15 essentials that all survivors should have with them. With a good knife you can make or obtain just about anything you need to live and even prosper in the outdoors. With this in mind, your selection of the best survival knife for your needs must be based on solid construction, proper materials, workmanship, and functionality. Survival Knives to Avoid Narrow Tang To the inexperienced, survival knives often conjure up images of the huge Rambo type knives as glorified in Hollywood movies. Though they look like potent weapons that can take on the world, these oversized knives are a far cry from the best of knives used by survival experts. The big knives suffer from being difficult to control as they are overly heavy and bulky. Many needs of the survivor require finer detail work than can readily be accomplished with this kind of blade.

    对于那些根本没有经验的人,提到求生刀会招来一大批那些美其名曰的好莱坞大片里头类似RAMBO类型的超大刀。虽然这些大刀看起来像是强有力的武器可以拯救世界,实际上他们的超大尺寸与一个生存专家心目中的最好的求生刀相去甚远。他们超大的体积和重量使得这类刀具难以控制,求生专家需要的是能可以很好的完成精工细作,远非这类刀形可以完成的事。双刃刀大多用来刺,因为是双刃,这类刀尖比较脆弱,容易损毁,另外双刃用处并不大反而容易造成伤害。市场上很多求生刀都是空心柄,因为他可以用来储存火柴,指南针等物件,防止受潮。但是由此带来的问题是,这类刀具比一体钢刀脆弱,不结实。你可以把指南针等物件存放在别处,而且这样做还有个好处是,就算刀丢了,这些东西还在,你还有的用。其实最好的生存刀没有那么花哨,相反是非常低调,非常平凡普通的。没有经验的户外爱好者或者求生主义者在选择的时候常常错过,常常把他们当作初学者的选择。

    Double edged knives are used mostly for thrusting. Because their tips are relatively weak they are prone to breaking. In addition, the second edge is an unneeded edge that can lead to injury. Many survival knives are sold that have hollow handles, the idea being you can store survival essentials like matches and compass inside the water tight handle. One problem hollow handled survival knives have is that they are prone to being weaker than the solid handle variety. There are exceptions, but generally you are better off storing your survival gear elsewhere. One advantage to this is that should you loose your knife you will still have the remainder of your survival gear to rely upon. The best outdoor survival knives are actually quite unassuming. Inexperienced outdoorsmen and survivalists will often pass them over to select blades that will mark them as survival neophytes to those who are in the know, Optimum Blade Length of a Survival Knife

    最适宜的求生刀尺寸最好的求生刀,首先必须具备的一个特点就是通用!看他到底能干多少种事情,同时求生装备的体积和重量和装备一样重要。按照我个人的经验,一把好的求生刀的刀刃尺寸应该在4-6英寸之间(10-15厘米)这个尺寸的刀子综合操控能力最好。任何超过这个尺寸的刀仅仅是过渡提高杀伤力,以及徒增体积分量。

    The best survival knives neet to be versatile in the number of things they can be called upon to do. At the same time bulk and weight are important considerations as with any survival gear. It has been my experience that the ideal survival knife blade length is somewhere between four and six inches. This size blade offers good mix of size and control. Any blade larger than that is overkill and merely adds to the weight and bulk of the survival gear I am carrying. If a larger survival blade is needed then you would probably be better off packing a machete, axe, hatchet, tomahawk, or kuris. In any case, you would still do well to also have on your person a regular sized survival knife. In addition to a survival knife with about a 5-inch blade, I like to carry a multi-tool that has a smaller folding blade. This blade comes in handy for finer detail work that would be too cumbersome for the large knife.
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    如果非要一件大刀,我建议你配一把开山刀、斧头或者狗腿。无论怎么样,你都应该让你的人配置一把正常尺寸的求生刀。作为一把5寸左右求生刀的补充,我喜欢再带上一支多功能组合工具,他上面的小折刀在某些细小的工作中比大刀要舒服很多。 Knife Tang 刀柄龙骨好的求生刀必须是一块整钢制作,配上合手的柄。这种结构的刀常见有全龙骨柄芯和渐细(鼠尾)柄芯。

    The best survival knife is constructed of one piece of metal, to which there may be slabs of material attached to form a comfortable handle. This kind of construction is known in the knife world as “full tang” or “narrow tang”. 此处讲述两种柄芯,未译。 Full tang survival knives are made so that the blade merges into the handle. Often two slabs of material are attached to either side of the metal to make a comfortable handle. In order to economize on weight and bulk some knives eschew the addition of handles and the metal is left bare. Narrow tang survival knives reduce the size of the blade material as it enters the handle of the knife. A handle is then attached over the narrower piece of the knife. Often the knife handle is composed of leather disks, the placement of which is a skill in and of itself. Narrow tang knives sometimes have a pommel attached to the handle end of the tang. Cheap survival knives are often made so that the metal blade is separate from the handle. The weak point on these badly made knives is where the blade and handle are bolted and glued together. You would do well to avoid such a cheap knife in favor of the superior full tang or narrow tang models.

    一些便宜的生存刀往往柄芯不全(我看文章是这个意思),这种劣质刀的弱点在刀刃与刀柄铆接/胶水粘和处,你最好不要把这些烂刀和龙骨柄芯的刀混为一谈。

    Types of Knife Blades

    There are two main types of knife blades that the survivor need concern himself with, namely smooth and serrated. Serrated survival knife blades do well at cutting synthetic materials, clothing, and flesh. For self defense and paramedics, etc, serrated edges are a good choice.

    刃形:这里有两种刀形,求生者需要结合自身条件选择:平刃和齿刃。齿刃的求生刀在对付,有着出色的表现。对于自卫以及医护人员等,齿刃就是一个不错的选择。但是齿刃在野外比较难磨。求生环境下刀刃的锋利则是生死攸关的,这也是齿刃对于求生来说最主要的缺点。同时齿刃不适合雕刻/抠挖和砍劈。

    A drawback to serrated cutting edges is that they are difficult to sharpen properly in the field. This is certainly a major drawback in a survival situation where maintaining a keen edge during hard use is vitally important. In addition, serrated knives do not have an efficient blade for carving and chopping. A plain smooth edged blade is the blade of choice for most survival situations. Such a blade is useful for carving, chopping, and cutting. Though it may not slice through nylon webbing, clothing, or flesh as efficiently as a serrated blade, the straight bladed knives will still make short work of these materials.

    平刃顺滑的刀刃则适合大多数求生环境,这种刃型很适合抠挖、劈砍以及切割,虽然对付合成材料、棉布和肉类时没有齿刃来得轻松,但是平刃并不会增加太多的工作量。同时平刃一个非常好的优点就是当你没有磨刀石的时候,随便找块石头或者一块混凝土就可以磨利。而齿刃则必须用专用的磨刀器具才能实现。

    The added advantage of the regular blade is that you can sharpen your survival knife on a rock or piece of concrete should you not have a regular sharpening stone handy whereas the serrated blade generally needs a special sharpening device and technique.

    需要补充的是,很多求生刀都有背齿设计用来锯金属或者木头,有很多案例,你比如Rambo刀就有这样的大背齿,这些背齿只能做一些非常少的工作,如果你确实需要增加一个小锯子,你可以在你的求生装备中增加一个特别设计的工具来担任此项工作

    On the back of many survival knives are a saw meant for sawing through metal or wood. In too many cases, as in the Rambo type knives, these saws only do a poor job at best. If you require a small saw in your survival gear you would do well to add a tool specifically designed for this rather than use your knife for this purpose. Knife Blade Thickness

    刃厚:求生刀具最佳厚度应当是5/32-8/32英寸之间(4-6mm),薄于这个尺寸,刀身则过于柔软,但是一旦厚过这个尺寸,则会失去精细工作时的灵巧,而这些都是求生环境中非常频繁碰到的。另外:刀尖的强度非常重要,往往这就是一把刀最容易出问题的地方。

    The best survival knife will generally have a blade thickness of between 5/32 and 8/32 of an inch. Any thinner and the blade becomes too flexible and thicker blades lack the finesse for the finer work that knives for survival are often called upon to do. It is important that the tip of the knife maintains its strength, as this is a likely area the knife is likely to fail.

    Knife Blade Materials

    刀刃材料:以下2中材料常被用来制作高质量的求生刀:不锈钢制作的刀具可以抵御潮湿环境中的腐蚀,不需要太多的保养,但是缺点在于其一则贵,二则不容易磨利,且刀刃保持性也差。碳钢如果不常用或者没涂层则容易生锈,但是诸多的经验看来,碳钢保持性总是比同类型的不锈钢强。(笔者:我不止一次见到这样的描述,附议)

    There are two main types of steel used in making high quality survival knives: Stainless Steel knife blades are rust resistant and work especially well in wet environments. They require less care than the carbon steel knives. Drawbacks to using stainless steel in knives is that they tend to be more expensive, are more difficult to sharpen, and may not hold an edge as well. Carbon Steel knife blades will rust if not used regularly or coated. Many feel carbon bladed knives hold an edge better than their stainless steel counterparts. Some of the Best Survival Knives In future Survival Topics I will explore a few of the proven survival knives that would serve you well. I welcome any input from Survival Topics readers about knives and their personal choices for the best survival knife.

    常见的最好的求生刀举例:

    Some of the best survival knives that come highly recommended include Becker Knives, Fallkniven, and SOGs:
    Fallkniven H1 Fallkniven A1 Fallkniven F1 Fallkniven S-1
    SOG Seal 2000 SOG Seal Pup
    Becker Knives Becker BK10 Becker BK9 Becker BK7
    Bear Grylls Knife - interesting read, an expensive knife for collectors. (收藏迷的贵货)
    Survivormans Knife Rambo 4 knife - certainly not a choice in survival knives but an expensive knife for collectors. (当然这不是求生刀的一个选择,但是是收藏迷需要的贵州货)

    When choosing the best survival knife for your needs you make certain you do not skimp. Get the best survival knife for your needs and it will serve you well for years to come. And, it may just save your life!

    你选择求生刀的时候你必须得考虑你得舍得用,选择你需要的最好的求生刀,他会为你效力很多年,并且,他可能会救你的命
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     楼主| 发表于 2009-12-23 11:40 | 显示全部楼层
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    bear的看起来也挺不错,只是附加费用实在是太高了。并且是独创设计,其他匠人也不好乱作。
    bear_01_hds.jpg

    倒是雷米尔斯的bushcraft比较平易近人,虽然bear指定的厂家的生产的价格也是包含了很大部分的附加费用,但是本身这个设计无专利,许多刀匠都有生产。
    值得一提的是在目前市场上最流行的KOSTER的bushcraft,可谓风靡了bladeforum jerzeedevil这些刀的论坛。
    KOSTER本身是ABS协会学徒,他有自己锻造O1钢款,同时也有不锈钢的可以选择,目前来说,制作不锈钢bushcraft且沿袭bear外形的那就是koster了。
    koster网站:http://www.kosterknives.com/


    他最畅销是3V款,也有其他指定钢材如CPM154等,热处理PAUL BOS。
    KOSTER1.jpg


    KOSTER2.jpg


    img_3445.jpg img_3449.jpg img_3444.jpg

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    发表于 2009-12-23 11:52 | 显示全部楼层
    战术假刃唉~   有爱   BUSH做出战术感
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    发表于 2009-12-23 12:39 | 显示全部楼层
    你根本就不知道刀是干啥的”我一般这么回答。他们总认为自己知道,可我明白,他如果知道就不会问这么愚蠢问题。
        这个很对  一帮人老是说什么暴力倾向  有本事就别来找我借刀用 可恶了
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    5寸,小点了吧
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     楼主| 发表于 2009-12-23 12:57 | 显示全部楼层
    帖子可以参考,写文章的我不知道是谁,查了一下也不知,survivaltopic也算是个非常知名的求生网站,作为该网站唯一的一篇求生刀选择的教科书,大家很值得深思。用刀的都是五大三粗吃牛肉长大的主儿,咱们真的比他们更需要大号得求生刀么。

    说实话我也没在野外过过夜,唯独小时候看录像学校关门了在草垛里裹了一个晚上。但我很喜欢户外,当然我的户外就比较轻量级了,有狂热的朋友欢迎发言

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    发表于 2009-12-23 13:33 | 显示全部楼层
    BUSH的打磨很特别 不是一般常见的平磨和凹磨  采用马刀打磨   更多的考虑了求生刀的强度   
    看似简单却很实用  KOSTER做的BUSH我觉得比雷胖子和其他人的更好看一些   尤其那个开副刃的
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    学习了!!顶楼主。我想问问既然大家都追求一体龙骨,那在刀柄上打那么多孔,不影响强度吗??侧向弯矩在护手位置应该是最大的,在那个位置打孔,强度不大大打折扣了。
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    发表于 2009-12-23 15:25 | 显示全部楼层
    长见识了,收藏后反复学习!
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    好帖!我觉得rat5就很不错

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    学习了,这么说以后还是高碳钢好
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    发表于 2009-12-23 17:46 | 显示全部楼层
    在老美看来,不需要用刀防身啊
    在中国,得考虑到一寸长,一寸强

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    其实从防身角度来讲 长尺寸只增加威慑力 对于威力乃至结果不会有太大影响  人对人近身的时候短匕是最有威力的武器 甚至超过了火器
    如果人与动物的话  也不能去指望一把刀来防身
    在我看bushcraft这种形制的求生刀除了样子土鳖的很意外其实是非常实用的

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    发表于 2009-12-23 18:12 | 显示全部楼层
    这2只刀其实和BUSHCRAFT形制上是类似的
    调整大小 DSC02085.JPG
    调整大小 DSC02087.JPG
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    面对野狗,该选择5寸还是更长,当然我所指的是措不及防的遭遇战
    只是举例
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    很不错的文章  学习中   感谢翻译。。。

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    面对野狗,该选择5寸还是更长,当然我所指的是措不及防的遭遇战
    只是举例
    大年初三 发表于 2009-12-23 18:39


    面对野狗最理想的武器是棍子  或者蹲下捡石头吓唬它  它是狗对人有本能的反应  驱逐它比干掉更EASY   不管多大的刀 如果它想咬你都很难全身而退  如果个头不大 一脚踢开就是 换做我防野狗会去削好一根顺手的棍子 而不是指望刀子 5寸的刀实际上操控性是最好的
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    http://www.hcmkj.cn/

    面对野狗最理想的武器是棍子  或者蹲下捡石头吓唬它  它是狗对人有本能的反应  驱逐它比干掉更EASY   不管多大的刀 如果它想咬你都很难全身而退  如果个头不大 一脚踢开就是 换做我防野狗会去削好一根顺手的棍子 ...
    hound 发表于 2009-12-23 19:53

    我只是以尾随、猝不及防的遭遇战举例,捡石头还容易点,可到那当口现找个棍子再把它弄顺手就有点来不及了吧
    再说捡石头,狗是群居动物,遇见两只饿疯了的狗捡石头恐反击怕也不是太容易
    当然我只是停留在YY阶段,并没有和狗去肉搏,呵呵
    我只是以狗举例说明,当天朝出现危机,对自身最有威胁的恐怕还是人类。
    相对于小直对我来说我更害怕大直{:3_54:}

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    其实http://www.redscorpionsix.com/ca ... ture-survival-knife 这个BEAR 刀老美也与山寨的价格要便宜很多
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